Re: Satish Vemana In India

It is really great news for NRIs in US. Satish's
contribution to
the Society will inspire some other people to uplift
the society.

Keep it up Satish!

Subba Rao Kolla

--- Narendra Eluru <enreddy@yahoo.com> wrote:

> All-
>
> Please read this article in eenadu news paper (
> "TANA" SEVALU ADARSHAM)
>
>
>
http://www.eenadu.net/district/districtshow1.asp?dis=cuddapah#14
>
> Regards
> Narendra
>
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Re: Hindi as an elective - Petition

Much needed alternative.
I like this idea and signed up too.

Regards,
Chandu

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Interesting dilemma!!

Leaving visionaries aside (they are in all fields and come in all forms
- including some politicians), what Mahesh is referring to are the
elected representatives.

I would think that we want the leaders we elect to listen to us. They
are there only to represent what majority of us want them to represent.
This may even mean that they better put their own personal beliefs
aside (strictly speaking) and speak for the majority that elected them.

To be able to do that effectively, the elected leaders have no choice
but to listen to people. When they do not listen to people we have no
representative democracy, which in fact seems to be the problem in
India.

So, there is nothing wrong in my mind if elected leaders want to follow
people. Rather, that is an ideal! We have all these problems because,
once elected, politicians expect people to follow them - no matter what
people want!

Does it make sense?

Regards,
Chandu

manga_a@cox.net wrote:
> I thought Politicians (at least the young aspiring) are supposed to be
> our leaders/MAARGADARSAKULU. If the young blood is nurturing the
> thoughts that it is ok for the politicians to be followers, why
> promote/support them and waste our valuable time in these discussion
> forums if our voices can't be heard?
>
> Are we not common Hindus who are expressing that we are disgusted with
> Muslim reservations and church being built on Tirumala Hills, one of
> the holy places of Hindus? Or, is the Politicians/ want to be
> politicians' hearing subjective and selective?
>
> I want to see our voices being taken to Chandrababu Naidu or Rajasekhar
> Reddy or any damn darn politician or leader. I want to see a posted
> article on Indian local News papers. If Dipavali sambaralu in Detroit
> and GWTCS can hit the local news in India, why not this?
>
> I am disgusted with gullible Andhra Folks who will do pada poojalu to
> sanyasulu while chanting Lalitha sahasranamam, durga ashtotharam etc.
> but can't respect the sanctity of our holy places and neither they nor
> their sanyasulu have the spine to fight for the very cause of their
> existence.
>
> Manga
>
>
> Vittal Anantatmula wrote:
> > Because of vote-related politics, these things are happening. So
> > politicians have a role in appeasing minority communities.
> >
> > Regarding our temples in the USA, it is not the right comparison. The
> > correct comparison would be to have a Hindu temple in Mecca or Vatican
> > City.
> >
> > It is estimated that more than 32,000 temples in India were transformed
> > into Mosques in the last five hundred years. We have been tolerant.
> > Please visit Ayodhya, Mathura and Kasi(Varanasi) and you will know. You
> > will not our original temples in those sacred places.
> >
> > If you relate it to the size of population, we have more churches and
> > mosques in India. So, I do not agree that we are not tolerant. But it
> > hurts when a church is going to be constructed next to the most sacred
> > Hindu place.
> >
> > There was a blast in Delhi recently. How many international leaders
> > reacted strongly? If it happens to a Muslim or Christian Community, the
> > whole world will condemn India. Let us be real, folks, We are spineless.
> >
> > Vittal A.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mahesh Gorle <mgorle2002@yahoo.com>
> > Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24 pm
> > Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> >
> > > Friends,
> > > I usually take any issue to people.
> > > Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists.
> > > They simply follow the people's trend.
> > > Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going
> > > and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few
> > > interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu
> > > person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the
> > > disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in
> > > every thing. Including Gods of other religion.
> > > This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or
> > > a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.
> > > If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure
> > > all the political parties jump on it.
> > > Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is
> > > not interested, no body will be.
> > > Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party
> > > recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that
> > > if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why
> > > not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the
> > > group agreed to him.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mahesh
> > >
> > > Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Vittal,
> > >
> > > Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank
> > > politics.
> > > If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the
> > > other
> > > party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to
> > > increase
> > > reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom
> > > reservations
> > > were created in the first place)
> > >
> > > Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and
> > > hence
> > > cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose
> > > this
> > > measure.
> > >
> > > If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA
> > > VADI).
> > > Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I
> > > have not one
> > > member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they
> > > lost an
> > > entire voting block.
> > >
> > > In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose
> > > these moves
> > > as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders
> > > rather than
> > > speaking the voice of the public.
> > >
> > > In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.
> > >
> > > Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu),
> > > saying the
> > > same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much
> > > hue and
> > > cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV
> > > as a
> > > communalist.
> > >
> > > In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.
> > >
> > > Let me know your thoughts
> > >
> > > Kiran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Vittal Anantatmula
> > > >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > > >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> > > >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
> > > >
> > > >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> > > >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction
> > > of a
> > > >church.
> > > >
> > > >I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
> > > >for obvious reasons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Vittal A.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: Veernini Pattinchukunedevaru?? Okkasari alochinchandi..idi chadavandi

Friends,

How sad it is. We all see them but do not really stop to think too much
about these unfortunate kids and their circumstances.

While they are providing a great service to the society, society can
not escape but feel the guilt. These kids and what they do for a living
are the symptoms of a deeply flawed society and the governments.

If they can't get their rights as citizens, how is our constitution
complete and fair? How is our society fair? How are we fair?

What can we do? Your ideas are welcome.

Regards,
Chandu

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

>>If it happens to a Muslim or Christian Community, the whole world will condemn India.

Given the historical background, Hinduism is what Indians at large
practice as a philosophy. I do not think other countries have any
interest in safe guarding Hinduism. If anything happens to Hindus or
Hindu interests, it becomes only our internal matter. There is good and
limitations in this view.

When such blasts or other terrorist acts do happen in our land, we have
two options:
1. Takle it as an internal socio economic situation
2. Identify, prove and tackle it as an international terrorist act and
go after it accordingly.

I would hesitate to brand them as simply religious terrorist acts and
brand as such. Just because US and other countries are doing so does
not necessarily make them right or "spineful".

If Hindus should act like others in haste, why have such a respected
and profound philosophy in the first place?

Regards,
Chandu

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

1. Reservations for Muslims (or any other relious group for that
matter) is a divisive and short sighted political move by the current
administration. It is unfortunate that we still think of our citizens
through religious and caste lenses. As you rightly pointed out these
are more political than genuine steps to help the needy. Is it time to
rephrase the consitution to reflect the changing needs of economically
backward leaving divisive religious and caste lines aside?

2. Land sale to construct a church in Tirumala seems to be a hoax. It
is unfortunate that anyone would try to leak such information to
further drive wedges on religious lines. It may look politically savvy
in the short run but can come back to haunt the whole society and we
all will pay the price.

Regards,
Chandu

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Thanks, Rao garu. I do agree that due to NTR, AP got nationwide
recognition and CBN did very well for the state.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chandu Sambasiva Rao <srchandu@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

>
> Thanks Dr. Vittal for such an insightful anecdote. The moral I derive
> from this is the following:
>
> 1. Definitely the Gujarati businessman exhibited sharp business acumen
> where the one from your native place failed miserably.
> 2. This does not tell anything about who is a better individual!
> 3. Society, even with full of good people may not make an economically
> stronger society.
> 4. There are many backward areas, and even whole countries that are
> poor, all around the world. I am sure the percentage of good
> people out
> numbers the not so good, there too. However, their lack of business
> acumen prevents them from becoming economically prosperous.
> 5. We need to empower our population at large to be economically aware
> and functional. If we consider our home state, NTR definitely made our
> people politically more aware. CBN started the ball rolling in making
> them economically more aware. We need to take it further.
> 6. We need to educate people so they can distinguish their emotional
> needs from economic needs.
> 7. For too long, our society prided itself on emotional issues and
> missed the economic implications. This clearly shows in our daily
> behavior, the way we organize, elect our leaders and so on.
> Balance is
> the cry of the hour. One tip is, embracing all sects, castes,
> religions, and working for economic progress.
> 8. Once we start demanding ourselves to be economically sound, other
> deviations take a back seat. You do things for what you want to
> be. Let
> us empower people to develop a vision where they see themselves
> prosperous. They are smart enough to focus on what they need to do to
> achieve their visions.
> 9. We need to encourage our people to embrace good business ideals,
> educated enough to protest the wrong doers and their acts. Of
> course as
> Ronald Reagan said, though we trust businesses to do the right things,
> the public and the government should always verify. Same should apply
> for elected leaders and the government at large!
> 10. We need to educate ourselves to enjoy the eggs, but not to
> kill the
> goose (case in point APIDC, public infrastructure, among others).
>
> Regards,
> Chandu
>

Satish Vemana In India

All-

 

Please read this article in eenadu news paper ( "TANA" SEVALU ADARSHAM)

 

http://www.eenadu.net/district/districtshow1.asp?dis=cuddapah#14

 

Regards
Narendra

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Re: Hindi as an elective - Petition

Thanks Ramana Reddy,

It was nice one and I did signed up for this.

 

Venkata Ramana Reddy Minama Reddy <minamareddy@gmail.com> wrote:

Please read this, we can have HINDI as an elective language in schools

http://new.petitiononline.com/elective/petition.html

Thanks & Regards,
Venkat Sreeram
vsreeram@yahoo.com
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Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Thanks Dr. Vittal for such an insightful anecdote. The moral I derive
from this is the following:

1. Definitely the Gujarati businessman exhibited sharp business acumen
where the one from your native place failed miserably.
2. This does not tell anything about who is a better individual!
3. Society, even with full of good people may not make an economically
stronger society.
4. There are many backward areas, and even whole countries that are
poor, all around the world. I am sure the percentage of good people out
numbers the not so good, there too. However, their lack of business
acumen prevents them from becoming economically prosperous.
5. We need to empower our population at large to be economically aware
and functional. If we consider our home state, NTR definitely made our
people politically more aware. CBN started the ball rolling in making
them economically more aware. We need to take it further.
6. We need to educate people so they can distinguish their emotional
needs from economic needs.
7. For too long, our society prided itself on emotional issues and
missed the economic implications. This clearly shows in our daily
behavior, the way we organize, elect our leaders and so on. Balance is
the cry of the hour. One tip is, embracing all sects, castes,
religions, and working for economic progress.
8. Once we start demanding ourselves to be economically sound, other
deviations take a back seat. You do things for what you want to be. Let
us empower people to develop a vision where they see themselves
prosperous. They are smart enough to focus on what they need to do to
achieve their visions.
9. We need to encourage our people to embrace good business ideals,
educated enough to protest the wrong doers and their acts. Of course as
Ronald Reagan said, though we trust businesses to do the right things,
the public and the government should always verify. Same should apply
for elected leaders and the government at large!
10. We need to educate ourselves to enjoy the eggs, but not to kill the
goose (case in point APIDC, public infrastructure, among others).

Regards,
Chandu

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

I thought Politicians (at least the young aspiring) are supposed to be
our leaders/MAARGADARSAKULU. If the young blood is nurturing the
thoughts that it is ok for the politicians to be followers, why
promote/support them and waste our valuable time in these discussion
forums if our voices can't be heard?

Are we not common Hindus who are expressing that we are disgusted with
Muslim reservations and church being built on Tirumala Hills, one of
the holy places of Hindus? Or, is the Politicians/ want to be
politicians' hearing subjective and selective?

I want to see our voices being taken to Chandrababu Naidu or Rajasekhar
Reddy or any damn darn politician or leader. I want to see a posted
article on Indian local News papers. If Dipavali sambaralu in Detroit
and GWTCS can hit the local news in India, why not this?

I am disgusted with gullible Andhra Folks who will do pada poojalu to
sanyasulu while chanting Lalitha sahasranamam, durga ashtotharam etc.
but can't respect the sanctity of our holy places and neither they nor
their sanyasulu have the spine to fight for the very cause of their
existence.

Manga

Vittal Anantatmula wrote:
> Because of vote-related politics, these things are happening. So
> politicians have a role in appeasing minority communities.
>
> Regarding our temples in the USA, it is not the right comparison. The
> correct comparison would be to have a Hindu temple in Mecca or Vatican
> City.
>
> It is estimated that more than 32,000 temples in India were transformed
> into Mosques in the last five hundred years. We have been tolerant.
> Please visit Ayodhya, Mathura and Kasi(Varanasi) and you will know. You
> will not our original temples in those sacred places.
>
> If you relate it to the size of population, we have more churches and
> mosques in India. So, I do not agree that we are not tolerant. But it
> hurts when a church is going to be constructed next to the most sacred
> Hindu place.
>
> There was a blast in Delhi recently. How many international leaders
> reacted strongly? If it happens to a Muslim or Christian Community, the
> whole world will condemn India. Let us be real, folks, We are spineless.
>
> Vittal A.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mahesh Gorle <mgorle2002@yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24 pm
> Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
>
> > Friends,
> > I usually take any issue to people.
> > Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists.
> > They simply follow the people's trend.
> > Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going
> > and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few
> > interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu
> > person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the
> > disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in
> > every thing. Including Gods of other religion.
> > This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or
> > a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.
> > If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure
> > all the political parties jump on it.
> > Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is
> > not interested, no body will be.
> > Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party
> > recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that
> > if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why
> > not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the
> > group agreed to him.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mahesh
> >
> > Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Vittal,
> >
> > Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank
> > politics.
> > If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the
> > other
> > party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to
> > increase
> > reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom
> > reservations
> > were created in the first place)
> >
> > Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and
> > hence
> > cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose
> > this
> > measure.
> >
> > If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA
> > VADI).
> > Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I
> > have not one
> > member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they
> > lost an
> > entire voting block.
> >
> > In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose
> > these moves
> > as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders
> > rather than
> > speaking the voice of the public.
> >
> > In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.
> >
> > Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu),
> > saying the
> > same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much
> > hue and
> > cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV
> > as a
> > communalist.
> >
> > In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.
> >
> > Let me know your thoughts
> >
> > Kiran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Vittal Anantatmula
> > >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> > >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
> > >
> > >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> > >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction
> > of a
> > >church.
> > >
> > >I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
> > >for obvious reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > >Vittal A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Vittal,

if you read my E-mail, that is what I was getting to. We/Hindus simply don't care.

We are interested in just our own family at the most few friends.

Until we change this selfish attitude and become more social and civic enthusiasts, these things happen.

Now, let us talk about what shoud one do instead of simply talking.

Like I always believe in 'Inta gelichi Ratcha Geluvu'  principle, let us educate our immediate family and friends and then we can talk about changing the entire community.

We could talk to all our temple priests and trustees to respond on this.

Do you want to take a lead on this?

 

Thanks,

Mahesh

Vittal Anantatmula <vsa@gwu.edu> wrote:

Because of vote-related politics, these things are happening. So
politicians have a role in appeasing minority communities.

Regarding our temples in the USA, it is not the right comparison. The
correct comparison would be to have a Hindu temple in Mecca or Vatican
City.

It is estimated that more than 32,000 temples in India were transformed
into Mosques in the last five hundred years. We have been tolerant.
Please visit Ayodhya, Mathura and Kasi(Varanasi) and you will know. You
will not our original temples in those sacred places.

If you relate it to the size of population, we have more churches and
mosques in India. So, I do not agree that we are not tolerant. But it
hurts when a church is going to be constructed next to the most sacred
Hindu place.

There was a blast in Delhi recently. How many international leaders
reacted strongly? If it happens to a Muslim or Christian Community, the
whole world will condemn India. Let us be real, folks, We are spineless.

Vittal A.



----- Original Message -----
From: Mahesh Gorle
Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24 pm
Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

> Friends,
> I usually take any issue to people.
> Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists.
> They simply follow the people's trend.
> Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going
> and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few
> interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu
> person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the
> disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in
> every thing. Including Gods of other religion.
> This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or
> a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.
> If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure
> all the political parties jump on it.
> Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is
> not interested, no body will be.
> Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party
> recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that
> if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why
> not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the
> group agreed to him.
>
> Thanks,
> Mahesh
>
> Kiran Gullapalli wrote:
>
> Vittal,
>
> Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank
> politics.
> If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the
> other
> party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to
> increase
> reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom
> reservations
> were created in the first place)
>
> Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and
> hence
> cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose
> this
> measure.
>
> If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA
> VADI).
> Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I
> have not one
> member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they
> lost an
> entire voting block.
>
> In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose
> these moves
> as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders
> rather than
> speaking the voice of the public.
>
> In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.
>
> Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu),
> saying the
> same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much
> hue and
> cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV
> as a
> communalist.
>
> In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.
>
> Let me know your thoughts
>
> Kiran
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Vittal Anantatmula
> >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
> >
> >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction
> of a
> >church.
> >
> >I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
> >for obvious reasons.
> >
> >
> >Vittal A.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Hindi as an elective - Petition

Please read this, we can have HINDI as an elective language in schools

http://new.petitiononline.com/elective/petition.html

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

http://www.omnamovenkatesaya.com/ttddairy_august2005_eng/august_26englishnews.htm

Please check the link above. It seems like it is a
rumor. I do not think Hindus will sit quite if this
is true. They may not take everything seriously, but
I guess we, Hindus, also have limits for our patience.
True that we do not take pride in being Hindus and
rest of the world does not give a damn if anything
happens to Hindus (case in point, Delhi incident you
mentioned), that is because of our corrupt elected
officials and the "Soft Country" image our country has
already established in the western world. It will
take lot of time to change this world view about our
country and requires dynamic leaders who are not
playing to vote-bank politics. And also, western
world has always operated on its own interests. What
was US interest in Pakistan until Sept. 11th? US has
poured billions of dollors into Pak. after Sept 11th.
And US is going to dump it like Afghanistan in 80's
once its need of Pakistan is over. We need to learn
this from them and start acting on our own interests.
We need to make Delhi incident a huge issue, not
Western world. Heck, we did not do anything even
after our parliament was attacked. If it were any
other country, it would have declared war with
Pakistan right after that incident.

Just my thoughts. Take it easy.

Jitendra

--- Vittal Anantatmula <vsa@gwu.edu> wrote:

>
> Because of vote-related politics, these things are
> happening. So
> politicians have a role in appeasing minority
> communities.
>
> Regarding our temples in the USA, it is not the
> right comparison. The
> correct comparison would be to have a Hindu temple
> in Mecca or Vatican
> City.
>
> It is estimated that more than 32,000 temples in
> India were transformed
> into Mosques in the last five hundred years. We have
> been tolerant.
> Please visit Ayodhya, Mathura and Kasi(Varanasi) and
> you will know. You
> will not our original temples in those sacred
> places.
>
> If you relate it to the size of population, we have
> more churches and
> mosques in India. So, I do not agree that we are not
> tolerant. But it
> hurts when a church is going to be constructed next
> to the most sacred
> Hindu place.
>
> There was a blast in Delhi recently. How many
> international leaders
> reacted strongly? If it happens to a Muslim or
> Christian Community, the
> whole world will condemn India. Let us be real,
> folks, We are spineless.
>
> Vittal A.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mahesh Gorle <mgorle2002@yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24 pm
> Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a
> state
>
> > Friends,
> > I usually take any issue to people.
> > Why blame politicians for every thing. They are
> opportunists.
> > They simply follow the people's trend.
> > Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an
> extent easy going
> > and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes.
> Except for few
> > interested people, there was no response from a
> common Hindu
> > person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty
> and the
> > disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see
> Godliness in
> > every thing. Including Gods of other religion.
> > This is not the case with the other religions. A
> normal John or
> > a Mohammad would participate in religious
> activity.
> > If majority of Hindus shows interest in this
> matter, I am sure
> > all the political parties jump on it.
> > Resistance or cooperation happens from a common
> man. When he is
> > not interested, no body will be.
> > Let me bring an interesting discussion happened
> in a party
> > recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my
> friend said that
> > if we could build temples next to a church here in
> America, why
> > not build a church next to our temple in India.
> Almost all in the
> > group agreed to him.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mahesh
> >
> > Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Vittal,
> >
> > Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything
> is Vote bank
> > politics.
> > If one party offers 5% reservation for a
> particular minority, the
> > other
> > party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%.
> They try to
> > increase
> > reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus
> and for whom
> > reservations
> > were created in the first place)
> >
> > Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into
> various caste's, and
> > hence
> > cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice
> which can oppose
> > this
> > measure.
> >
> > If any one opposes it, they are branded as
> communalists(MATATATVA
> > VADI).
> > Regarding, allocation of a place to build church
> in Tirumala, I
> > have not one
> > member of any party condemning this move. If they
> condemn, they
> > lost an
> > entire voting block.
> >
> > In India, the majority has no voice or
> representation to oppose
> > these moves
> > as the elected representatives are beholden to
> their leaders
> > rather than
> > speaking the voice of the public.
> >
> > In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as
> his mentor.
> >
> > Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who
> is a Hindu),
> > saying the
> > same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There
> will be so much
> > hue and
> > cry with the English Language Media, the
> communists, branding ABV
> > as a
> > communalist.
> >
> > In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism,
> Majority has no say.
> >
> > Let me know your thoughts
> >
> > Kiran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Vittal Anantatmula
> > >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of
> a state
> > >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of
> people about AP.
> > >
> > >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> > >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for
> the construction
> > of a
> > >church.
> > >
> > >I believe politicians are either silent or
> supportive on these issues
> > >for obvious reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > >Vittal A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Friends,

Everything looks good and right whatever we are saying in this forum.  The trend back in India is to compare everything with USA and not sure whether that is right or not. But at least being we are here should realize that we should have our own stand either let them to build church or not, no matter will they allow us to do it or not.

As Mahesh said "initiation should be from the people and political leaders will jump into it" I also agree that to certain extent that is right ( in present politics) and not blaming them for everything.

Let us think what we can do for this and how do we let them know our protest for this.  How do we influence them or where to do we start to make them( people, politicians and our religion leaders such as Swamijis) involve in stopping this. 

We can conduct a web based servey and publilsh the results.  This could be just a start from us.

Thanks & Regards,

Srinivasu Tunuguntla

---

From: Mahesh Gorle <mgorle2002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:24:40 -0800 (PST)

Friends,

I usually take any issue to people.

Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists. They simply follow the people's trend.

Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in every thing. Including Gods of other religion.

This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.

If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure all the political parties jump on it.

Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is not interested, no body will be.

Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the group agreed to him.

 

Thanks,

Mahesh

Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:

Vittal,

Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank politics.

If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the other
party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to increase
reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom reservations
were created in the first place)

Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and hence
cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose this
measure.

If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA VADI).

Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I have not one
member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they lost an
entire voting block.

In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose these moves
as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders rather than
speaking the voice of the public.

In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.

Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu), saying the
same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much hue and
cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV as a
communalist.

In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.

Let me know your thoughts

Kiran





>From: Vittal Anantatmula
>Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
>
>
>
>Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
>
>1. Reservation for Muslims.
>2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction of a
>church.
>
>I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
>for obvious reasons.
>
>
>Vittal A.
>
>
>

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Because of vote-related politics, these things are happening. So
politicians have a role in appeasing minority communities.

Regarding our temples in the USA, it is not the right comparison. The
correct comparison would be to have a Hindu temple in Mecca or Vatican
City.

It is estimated that more than 32,000 temples in India were transformed
into Mosques in the last five hundred years. We have been tolerant.
Please visit Ayodhya, Mathura and Kasi(Varanasi) and you will know. You
will not our original temples in those sacred places.

If you relate it to the size of population, we have more churches and
mosques in India. So, I do not agree that we are not tolerant. But it
hurts when a church is going to be constructed next to the most sacred
Hindu place.

There was a blast in Delhi recently. How many international leaders
reacted strongly? If it happens to a Muslim or Christian Community, the
whole world will condemn India. Let us be real, folks, We are spineless.

Vittal A.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mahesh Gorle <mgorle2002@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24 pm
Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

> Friends,
> I usually take any issue to people.
> Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists.
> They simply follow the people's trend.
> Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going
> and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few
> interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu
> person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the
> disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in
> every thing. Including Gods of other religion.
> This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or
> a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.
> If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure
> all the political parties jump on it.
> Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is
> not interested, no body will be.
> Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party
> recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that
> if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why
> not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the
> group agreed to him.
>
> Thanks,
> Mahesh
>
> Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Vittal,
>
> Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank
> politics.
> If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the
> other
> party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to
> increase
> reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom
> reservations
> were created in the first place)
>
> Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and
> hence
> cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose
> this
> measure.
>
> If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA
> VADI).
> Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I
> have not one
> member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they
> lost an
> entire voting block.
>
> In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose
> these moves
> as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders
> rather than
> speaking the voice of the public.
>
> In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.
>
> Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu),
> saying the
> same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much
> hue and
> cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV
> as a
> communalist.
>
> In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.
>
> Let me know your thoughts
>
> Kiran
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Vittal Anantatmula
> >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
> >
> >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction
> of a
> >church.
> >
> >I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
> >for obvious reasons.
> >
> >
> >Vittal A.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Friends,

I usually take any issue to people.

Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists. They simply follow the people's trend.

Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in every thing. Including Gods of other religion.

This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.

If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure all the political parties jump on it.

Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is not interested, no body will be.

Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the group agreed to him.

 

Thanks,

Mahesh

Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:

Vittal,

Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank politics.

If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the other
party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to increase
reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom reservations
were created in the first place)

Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and hence
cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose this
measure.

If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA VADI).

Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I have not one
member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they lost an
entire voting block.

In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose these moves
as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders rather than
speaking the voice of the public.

In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.

Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu), saying the
same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much hue and
cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV as a
communalist.

In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.

Let me know your thoughts

Kiran





>From: Vittal Anantatmula
>Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
>
>
>
>Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
>
>1. Reservation for Muslims.
>2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction of a
>church.
>
>I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
>for obvious reasons.
>
>
>Vittal A.
>
>
>

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

land sold to Christians on Tirumala Hills ???? r u sure? where we are
going??

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Kiran:

I understand the reasons and I agree with you.

Regarding these issues, I am simply disgusted. I strongly believe that
it will not happen Maharashtra because Hindus in that state have guts
to stand up to their rights.

I do not have much hope that this forum will address this issue.

Vittal

----- Original Message -----
From: Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> u
> Vittal,
>
> Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank
> politics.
> If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the
> other
> party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to
> increase
> reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom
> reservations
> were created in the first place)
>
> Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and
> hence
> cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose
> this
> measure.
>
> If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA
> VADI).
> Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I
> have not one
> member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they
> lost an
> entire voting block.
>
> In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose
> these moves
> as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders
> rather than
> speaking the voice of the public.
>
> In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.
>
> Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu),
> saying the
> same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much
> hue and
> cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV
> as a
> communalist.
>
> In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.
>
> Let me know your thoughts
>
> Kiran
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Vittal Anantatmula <vsa@gwu.edu>
> >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
> >
> >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction
> of a
> >church.
> >
> >I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
> >for obvious reasons.
> >
> >
> >Vittal A.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Is land sold to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction of a
church??. Can I hava more details on this issue.

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Vittal,

Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank politics.

If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the other
party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to increase
reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom reservations
were created in the first place)

Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and hence
cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose this
measure.

If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA VADI).

Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I have not one
member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they lost an
entire voting block.

In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose these moves
as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders rather than
speaking the voice of the public.

In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.

Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu), saying the
same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much hue and
cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV as a
communalist.

In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.

Let me know your thoughts

Kiran

>From: Vittal Anantatmula <vsa@gwu.edu>
>Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
>
>
>
>Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
>
>1. Reservation for Muslims.
>2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction of a
>church.
>
>I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
>for obvious reasons.
>
>
>Vittal A.
>
>
>

Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.

1. Reservation for Muslims.
2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction of a
church.

I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
for obvious reasons.

Vittal A.

Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party

Chiru's popularity is at all time high at the present time. But
that doesn't mean that he should enter into politics. He should
get his work done without entering into any particular party. As
per my understanding, Chiru got the idea of entering into politics
at the time of his "Indra" film. But he took a wise decision not to
enter into politics. Now there are some politicians who wants to
exploit him by using his mega image. And also, politics are not his
cup of tea. Politics are like mud. Definately he shouldn't step his
feet in the mud.

sincerely,
Bhuvanesh Boojala

>---- Original Message ----
>From: chandusr@gmail.com
>To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:58:37 -0500
>
>>Regardless of political party could you please list a few names like
>CHIRU
>> had bad relations in TDP except Paritala?.He is different kind of
>>personality. I agree that CHIRU is not trying to use any one, people
>are
>>trying to use him, he is a valueble person. But i dont agree with
>this kind
>>of concept like *"If he entrers in to politics he will rules".* It
>is very
>>easy to say but hard to prove. We can't predict who is who in
>future. It
>>might be possible and it might not be also. We need to recall
>ABRAHAM
>>LINCOLN's life history in this regard. So, I feel like this is not
>the right
>>time to assess his political capability for any reason.
>Professionally he is
>>the last standing icon in Telugu Film Industry that everybody knows,
>but
>>politically? we never know how far he is going to be successfull.
>Though he
>>is down to earth personality i dont think only that part is going to
>help
>>him in his political career. Finally, It is really unfortunate to
>compare
>>CHIRU with "SUPER STAR KRISHNA" . Everybody should realise that
>>Mahesh(Krishna son) himself he accepted Chiru is the last Legendary
>in
>>Telugu Film Industry in all aspects.
>>
>>Thanks & Regards,
>>Srinivasa Rao
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11/23/05, Naga Jagan Mohan Rao Sugguna <sugguna@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He
>could
>>> not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year.
>>>
>>> N T Rama Rao lost his own from Kalvakurthy and NCB Naidu lost his
>won in
>>> 83. So its not surprised that a person who took help from Chiru
>did not win.
>>>
>>> 2. It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss
>Chiranjeevi's
>>> issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.
>>>
>>> He could flop like Krishna did several years ago is also a
>premature
>>> statement???? . Is it has some other meaning?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Naga
>>>
>>> On 11/22/05, Mahendra K Sunkara <mahendra@louisville.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He
>could
>>> > not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year. However,
>It
>>> > matters when there is a political vacuum within the state for
>leaders.
>>> > Now, the state is currently seeing two leaders and there is no
>political
>>> >
>>> > vacuum. Many people may be feeling that the current leader is
>leading us
>>> > in the wrong direction. But, he is still a leader unlike his
>>> > predecessors before 80s who did not seem to have neither head
>nor tail.
>>> > When NTR entered politics in 83, there was a huge political
>vacuum and
>>> > low self-esteem for people of andhra. The time is not for anyone
>to rise
>>> > and stake a claim. Chiranjeevi and others in cine field need to
>be
>>> > smart about when to stake a claim.
>>> >
>>> > It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss
>Chiranjeevi's
>>> > issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.
>>> >
>>> > Mahendra.
>>> > Mahendra K. Sunkara, Ph.D.
>>> > Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering
>>> > http://www.cvd.louisville.edu
>>> > University of Louisville
>>> > Louisville, KY 40292 (use 40208 for fedex)
>>> > (502) 852-1558(ph)
>>> > (502) 852-6355(fax)
>>> > 502-457-4178(cell)
>>> > >>> sugguna@gmail.com 11/22/05 12:18 AM >>>
>>> > It is also open secret that Chiranjeevi always supports
>Chandrababu
>>> > directly/indirectly. He has very good relations with all TDP
>leaders
>>> > comparitively with other parties.
>>> >
>>> > I don't agree if any one says Chiru has very good relations with
>all TDP
>>> >
>>> > leaders comparitively with other parties.
>>> > So many people have good relations with Chiru. May be many of
>them are
>>> > in
>>> > TDP.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 srinivasarao chandu wrote :
>>> > >Amarsingh also mentioned that if Chiranjeevi proposes he will
>think
>>> > about
>>> > >it. I dont think Chiranjeevi can do it and he dont need to
>propose any
>>> > other
>>> > >party to extend his services to the society. It is also open
>secret
>>> > that
>>> > >Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He
>has
>>> > very
>>> > >good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other
>parties.
>>> > What
>>> > >is the benefit he is getting if joins in Samajwadi party? he
>also did
>>> > >expressed his feelings about his political entry very clearly
>saying
>>> > that
>>> > he
>>> > >is not much interested and is very much comfortable with his
>position
>>> > now.
>>> > >Based on these all permatations and combinations I dont think
>Chiru can
>>> > >propose Samajward Party in this regard.
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > >Srinivas
>>> > >
>>> > > On 11/21/05, srilakshmi18@gmail.com <srilakshmi18@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Amarsingh General Secretary of Samajwadi Party came to
>Hyderabad.
>>> > With
>>> > > > an idea to expand his party in South spoke to press. When
>questioned
>>> > on
>>> > > > possibility to move with Maga-star Chiranjeevi he said as of
>now we
>>> > > > don't have any proposal
>>> > > >
>>> > > > read this story here http://www.andhraherald.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party

Regardless of political party could you please list a few names like CHIRU  had bad relations in TDP except Paritala?.He is different kind of personality.  I agree that CHIRU is not trying to use any one, people are trying to use him, he is a valueble person. But i dont agree with this kind of concept like "If he entrers in to politics he will rules". It is very easy to say but hard to prove. We can't predict who is who in future. It might be possible and it might not be also. We need to recall ABRAHAM LINCOLN's life history in this regard. So, I feel like this is not the right time to assess his political capability for any reason. Professionally he is the last standing icon in Telugu Film Industry that everybody knows, but politically? we never know how far he is going to be successfull. Though he is down to earth personality i dont think only that part is going to help him in his political career. Finally, It is really unfortunate to compare CHIRU with "SUPER STAR KRISHNA" . Everybody should realise that Mahesh(Krishna son) himself he accepted Chiru is the last Legendary in Telugu Film Industry in all aspects.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Srinivasa Rao

 

On 11/23/05, Naga Jagan Mohan Rao Sugguna <sugguna@gmail.com> wrote:

1. Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He could
not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year.

N T Rama Rao lost his own from Kalvakurthy and NCB Naidu lost his won in 83. So its not surprised that a person who took help from Chiru did not win.

2. It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss Chiranjeevi's
issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.

He could flop like Krishna did several years ago   is also a premature statement???? . Is it has some other meaning?

Regards
Naga

On 11/22/05, Mahendra K Sunkara <mahendra@louisville.edu > wrote:

Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He could
not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year. However, It
matters when there is a political vacuum within the state for leaders.
Now, the state is currently seeing two leaders and there is no political
vacuum. Many people may be feeling that the current leader is leading us
in the wrong direction. But, he is still a leader unlike his
predecessors before 80s who did not seem to have neither head nor tail.
When NTR entered politics in 83, there was a huge political vacuum and
low self-esteem for people of andhra. The time is not for anyone to rise
and stake a claim.  Chiranjeevi and others in cine field need to be
smart about when to stake a claim.

It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss Chiranjeevi's
issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.

Mahendra.
Mahendra K. Sunkara, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering
http://www.cvd.louisville.edu
University of Louisville
Louisville, KY 40292 (use 40208 for fedex)
(502) 852-1558(ph)
(502) 852-6355(fax)
502-457-4178(cell)
>>> sugguna@gmail.com 11/22/05 12:18 AM >>>
It is also open secret that Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu
directly/indirectly. He has very good relations with all TDP leaders
comparitively with other parties.

I don't agree if any one says Chiru has very good relations with all TDP
leaders comparitively with other parties.
So many people have good relations with Chiru. May be many of them are
in
TDP.


On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 srinivasarao chandu wrote :
>Amarsingh also mentioned that if Chiranjeevi proposes he will think
about
>it. I dont think Chiranjeevi can do it and he dont need to propose any
other
>party to extend his services to the society. It is also open secret
that
>Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He has
very
>good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties.
What
>is the benefit he is getting if joins in Samajwadi party? he also did
>expressed his feelings about his political entry very clearly saying
that
he
>is not much interested and is very much comfortable with his position
now.
>Based on these all permatations and combinations I dont think Chiru can
>propose Samajward Party in this regard.
> Regards,
>Srinivas
>
> On 11/21/05, srilakshmi18@gmail.com <srilakshmi18@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Amarsingh General Secretary of Samajwadi Party came to Hyderabad.
With
> > an idea to expand his party in South spoke to press. When questioned
on
> > possibility to move with Maga-star Chiranjeevi he said as of now we
> > don't have any proposal
> >
> > read this story here http://www.andhraherald.com
> >
> >

Veernini Pattinchukunedevaru?? Okkasari alochinchandi..idi chadavandi

This is karthik from THE ANDHRA NEWS... Read the article and send me
the feed back

http://gade.250free.com/karthik.pdf

Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party

Oh GOD give us a break, CHIRU is not just like Super Star Krishna or CBN who do not know what to do when he was in opposition http://thatstelugu.indiainfo.com/talk2005/tdp/future.html

HA HA it is funny talking about CHIRU regarding ASWANIDUTT MP seat, don't forget that he is from TDP and people did not liked TDP, for CHIRU it is obligation (MOHAMAATAM), friendship etc.

NTR lost his own seat, CBN lost his power Aswanidutt??

How can you tell about the feauture, understanding chiru is not just writing good english in discussion boards, from no where he is at this stage, time will tell who will win and who will loose. THE GOD CBN is not ruling the state now, it is time borther, who knows.

Until I read the article on Potti Sriramulu in EENADU on 1st Nov, I used to think he is a great politician, It is unbelievable, he bought the TELUGU(DESAM) RASTRAM not MR.NT RAMARAO.

FOR sure CHIRU is not as you think, with out CONGRESS what is YSR, with out NTR or TDP what is CBN ( I don't want to talk about CBN's entry as a big man using illegale relations of NTR) , BUT

CHIRU is not like them please DON'T compare CHIRU with YSR or CBN. If you don't believe that CHIRU has the  capability by know based on his growth as human as a successul man in his field, no one can satisfy you other than CBN.

CHIRU is not trying to use any one, people are trying to use him, he is a valueble person. If he entrers in to politics he will rules, now people are forgetting NANDAMURI family in the movie field because of CHIRU, if he enters in to politics people will forget about CBN, that is for sure.

People should be able to accept the change, one day CBN will die (may be at his 100) even then some one need to rule the state. I believe CHIRU is one of the BEST choice for CM.

As for me YSR is doing more than expected presonally & professionally, Man see what he is doing in KOLLERU unbelievable, 57000 aceres evadabba sottu.

IF YSR can finish all praposed irrigation projects, really people do not need CHIRU, YSR will rule next 10 years.

THIS is my personal opinion.

---

From:  "Mahendra K Sunkara" <mahendra@louisville.edu>
Reply-To:  AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
To:  <sugguna@gmail.com>, <AndhraOne@googlegroups.com>
Subject:  Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party
Date:  Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:34:54 -0500
>
>Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He could
>not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year. However, It
>matters when there is a political vacuum within the state for leaders.
>Now, the state is currently seeing two leaders and there is no political
>vacuum. Many people may be feeling that the current leader is leading us
>in the wrong direction. But, he is still a leader unlike his
>predecessors before 80s who did not seem to have neither head nor tail.
>When NTR entered politics in 83, there was a huge political vacuum and
>low self-esteem for people of andhra. The time is not for anyone to rise
>and stake a claim.  Chiranjeevi and others in cine field need to be
>smart about when to stake a claim.
>
>It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss Chiranjeevi's
>issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.
>
>Mahendra.
>Mahendra K. Sunkara, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering
>http://www.cvd.louisville.edu
>University of Louisville
>Louisville, KY 40292 (use 40208 for fedex)
>(502) 852-1558(ph)
>(502) 852-6355(fax)
>502-457-4178(cell)
> >>> sugguna@gmail.com 11/22/05 12:18 AM >>>
>It is also open secret that Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu
>directly/indirectly. He has very good relations with all TDP leaders
>comparitively with other parties.
>
>I don't agree if any one says Chiru has very good relations with all TDP
>leaders comparitively with other parties.
>So many people have good relations with Chiru. May be many of them are
>in
>TDP.
>
>
>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 srinivasarao chandu wrote :
> >Amarsingh also mentioned that if Chiranjeevi proposes he will think
>about
> >it. I dont think Chiranjeevi can do it and he dont need to propose any
>other
> >party to extend his services to the society. It is also open secret
>that
> >Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He has
>very
> >good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties.
>What
> >is the benefit he is getting if joins in Samajwadi party? he also did
> >expressed his feelings about his political entry very clearly saying
>that
>he
> >is not much interested and is very much comfortable with his position
>now.
> >Based on these all permatations and combinations I dont think Chiru can
> >propose Samajward Party in this regard.
> > Regards,
> >Srinivas
> >
> > On 11/21/05, srilakshmi18@gmail.com <srilakshmi18@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Amarsingh General Secretary of Samajwadi Party came to Hyderabad.
>With
> > > an idea to expand his party in South spoke to press. When questioned
>on
> > > possibility to move with Maga-star Chiranjeevi he said as of now we
> > > don't have any proposal
> > >
> > > read this story here http://www.andhraherald.com
> > >
> > >
>

Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party

1. Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He could
not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year.

N T Rama Rao lost his own from Kalvakurthy and NCB Naidu lost his won in 83. So its not surprised that a person who took help from Chiru did not win.

2. It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss Chiranjeevi's
issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.

He could flop like Krishna did several years ago  is also a premature statement???? . Is it has some other meaning?

Regards
Naga

On 11/22/05, Mahendra K Sunkara <mahendra@louisville.edu> wrote:

Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He could
not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year. However, It
matters when there is a political vacuum within the state for leaders.
Now, the state is currently seeing two leaders and there is no political
vacuum. Many people may be feeling that the current leader is leading us
in the wrong direction. But, he is still a leader unlike his
predecessors before 80s who did not seem to have neither head nor tail.
When NTR entered politics in 83, there was a huge political vacuum and
low self-esteem for people of andhra. The time is not for anyone to rise
and stake a claim.  Chiranjeevi and others in cine field need to be
smart about when to stake a claim.

It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss Chiranjeevi's
issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.

Mahendra.
Mahendra K. Sunkara, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering
http://www.cvd.louisville.edu
University of Louisville
Louisville, KY 40292 (use 40208 for fedex)
(502) 852-1558(ph)
(502) 852-6355(fax)
502-457-4178(cell)
>>> sugguna@gmail.com 11/22/05 12:18 AM >>>
It is also open secret that Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu
directly/indirectly. He has very good relations with all TDP leaders
comparitively with other parties.

I don't agree if any one says Chiru has very good relations with all TDP
leaders comparitively with other parties.
So many people have good relations with Chiru. May be many of them are
in
TDP.


On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 srinivasarao chandu wrote :
>Amarsingh also mentioned that if Chiranjeevi proposes he will think
about
>it. I dont think Chiranjeevi can do it and he dont need to propose any
other
>party to extend his services to the society. It is also open secret
that
>Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He has
very
>good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties.
What
>is the benefit he is getting if joins in Samajwadi party? he also did
>expressed his feelings about his political entry very clearly saying
that
he
>is not much interested and is very much comfortable with his position
now.
>Based on these all permatations and combinations I dont think Chiru can
>propose Samajward Party in this regard.
> Regards,
>Srinivas
>
> On 11/21/05, srilakshmi18@gmail.com <srilakshmi18@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Amarsingh General Secretary of Samajwadi Party came to Hyderabad.
With
> > an idea to expand his party in South spoke to press. When questioned
on
> > possibility to move with Maga-star Chiranjeevi he said as of now we
> > don't have any proposal
> >
> > read this story here http://www.andhraherald.com
> >
> >

It is people who decide the fate of a state

I have lived in different parts of India, some of which are much better
places than Andhra. Let me share an interesting and contrasting
experience I had, which summarizes why we are at this stage in Andhra.

Time line: 1980s

It was in late 80s that I was transferred to Baroda. This incident has
happened immediately after I moved to Baroda. One day, we went to Vimal
Show Room in the city to buy a saree. After buying a couple of sarees,
my wife insisted that I buy something for myself. I started explaining
to her that I brought only Rs.1500 in cash and I would buy my clothes
later. We were having this conversation in Telugu. Somehow, the
Gujarati salesman understood what we were discussing and intervened. He
said,"sir, madam is asking you to buy clothes for you and why don't
you? Please do not worry about money. You can pay us when you visit our
showroom next time." He used his astute salesmanship and convinced us
buy clothes. Remember, the guy had never seen us before but he
willingly took the risk of around Rs.1000, which was a good sum in
those days. He never asked for my address or telephone number. He
simply trusted us. As you might have expected, I went straight to the
Bank, withdrew money and went back to the showroom to pay the balance
on the same day.

Compare this story with an experience I had in my native town,
Rajahmundry.

Time line: early 70's.

I grew up in Rajahmundry and our families have been living there for
more than 80 years. One day, as my father could not be reached and
there was some emergency, my mother asked me to go the drug store
around the street corner to get medicines for one of my siblings. My
mother told me to tell the drug store owner that money for the
medicines would be given later but on the same day. She could not go
herself as she was required to stay in hospital. The shop owner knew
our family very well. He and my father were good friends. Still, he
refused to give medicines to me stating that it was against his drug
store's policy to sell medicines on loan.

You can make your own conclusions from the above anecdote.

During my five-year stay in Gujarat, I came to know that GIDC (Gujarat
Industrial Development Corporation)was the best in the nation in
industrial investment. People used to take pride in returning loans to
GIDC as they believed that more money in circulation would lead to
economic growth. I do not want to comment on AP Industrial Development
Corporation though I have detailed knowledge about what happens there.

We deserve leaders we get. If people change, leaders will change.

Vittal Anantatmula

Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party

Chiranjeevi's interest does not matter a whole lot here now. He could
not even elect his own buddy to parliament last year. However, It
matters when there is a political vacuum within the state for leaders.
Now, the state is currently seeing two leaders and there is no political
vacuum. Many people may be feeling that the current leader is leading us
in the wrong direction. But, he is still a leader unlike his
predecessors before 80s who did not seem to have neither head nor tail.
When NTR entered politics in 83, there was a huge political vacuum and
low self-esteem for people of andhra. The time is not for anyone to rise
and stake a claim. Chiranjeevi and others in cine field need to be
smart about when to stake a claim.

It is completely hypothetical and premature to discuss Chiranjeevi's
issue. He could flop like Krishna did several years ago.

Mahendra.
Mahendra K. Sunkara, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering
http://www.cvd.louisville.edu
University of Louisville
Louisville, KY 40292 (use 40208 for fedex)
(502) 852-1558(ph)
(502) 852-6355(fax)
502-457-4178(cell)
>>> sugguna@gmail.com 11/22/05 12:18 AM >>>
It is also open secret that Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu
directly/indirectly. He has very good relations with all TDP leaders
comparitively with other parties.

I don't agree if any one says Chiru has very good relations with all TDP
leaders comparitively with other parties.
So many people have good relations with Chiru. May be many of them are
in
TDP.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 srinivasarao chandu wrote :
>Amarsingh also mentioned that if Chiranjeevi proposes he will think
about
>it. I dont think Chiranjeevi can do it and he dont need to propose any
other
>party to extend his services to the society. It is also open secret
that
>Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He has
very
>good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties.
What
>is the benefit he is getting if joins in Samajwadi party? he also did
>expressed his feelings about his political entry very clearly saying
that
he
>is not much interested and is very much comfortable with his position
now.
>Based on these all permatations and combinations I dont think Chiru can
>propose Samajward Party in this regard.
> Regards,
>Srinivas
>
> On 11/21/05, srilakshmi18@gmail.com <srilakshmi18@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Amarsingh General Secretary of Samajwadi Party came to Hyderabad.
With
> > an idea to expand his party in South spoke to press. When questioned
on
> > possibility to move with Maga-star Chiranjeevi he said as of now we
> > don't have any proposal
> >
> > read this story here http://www.andhraherald.com
> >
> >

Re: Re: amar singh welcomes chiranjeevi to Samajawadi Party

It is also open secret that Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He has very good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties.

I don't agree if any one says Chiru has very good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties.
So many people have good relations with Chiru. May be many of them are in TDP.


On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 srinivasarao chandu wrote :
>Amarsingh also mentioned that if Chiranjeevi proposes he will think about
>it. I dont think Chiranjeevi can do it and he dont need to propose any other
>party to extend his services to the society. It is also open secret that
>Chiranjeevi always supports Chandrababu directly/indirectly. He has very
>good relations with all TDP leaders comparitively with other parties. What
>is the benefit he is getting if joins in Samajwadi party? he also did
>expressed his feelings about his political entry very clearly saying that he
>is not much interested and is very much comfortable with his position now.
>Based on these all permatations and combinations I dont think Chiru can
>propose Samajward Party in this regard.
>  Regards,
>Srinivas
>
>  On 11/21/05, srilakshmi18@gmail.com <srilakshmi18@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Amarsingh General Secretary of Samajwadi Party came to Hyderabad. With
> > an idea to expand his party in South spoke to press. When questioned on
> > possibility to move with Maga-star Chiranjeevi he said as of now we
> > don't have any proposal
> >
> > read this story here http://www.andhraherald.com
> >
> >

Human Face on Economic reofrms

Hi! Folks

I am curious on Human face on Economic reforms topic.
I read some articles on the web.

What is Human face on Economic reforms?
--------------------------------------

When just before assuming office as Prime Minister in
2004 Dr. Manmohan Singh declared that, "Reforms are
needed, I have always said that, but economic reforms
with a human face that give India's common man a real
hope," he was emphasizing both that the reform process
would continue and that he would heed the new mandate
that called for greater attention to the needs of the
poor. Recently Chandra Babu coined the same idea
while he was attending a meeting in Orissa. As per
Political leaders Human face means reduction of
poverty and improve the conditions of women and
children.

To reduce Poverty, Government should stress on
empowering the poor to take advantage of the new
opportunities so that they are not left behind and
inequality does not worsen as the middle classes and
the rich march ahead. This approach would emphasize
expanding the role of the state in providing economic
and social opportunity for the poor through education,
basic health care, gender justice, land reform and
micro-credit even while calling for state withdrawal
from areas such as industrial regulation where its
over-activity has been harmful.

Also Government should Open up to global trade,
removing constraints on domestic initiative and
industry, bringing in foreign investment, selling or
closing down public enterprises, and maintaining a
stable fiscal and monetary environment. Since we have
more Population, Government should be more careful for
the development of the rural economy and of labor
intensive industries to provide employment.

Please post on this group If any body having good
knowledge about numbers how our Governments achieved
so far on this Human face,what schemes implemented to
achieve this, and How Chandra Babu planning to
implement in future?

thanks
subba rao kolla
subba_K@yahoo.com

--- Chandu Sambasiva Rao <srchandu@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dear Folks,
>
> One of our members sent me this interesting piece. I
> think the
> challenge for any leader is how best to support the
> needy and achieve
> overall development at the same time. No easy task.
> I tend to support
> CBN's take on this. I want to know what the group
> thinks?
>
> Regards,
> Chandu
>
>
> Naidu calls for reforms with broad human face to
> ensure development
> Bhubaneswar | November 09, 2005 12:32:14 AM IST
> (Reported by UNI DP PC AKP2222)
>
>
> Former Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N Chandrababu
> Naidu today called
> for reforms to achieve a 10 per cent growth rate in
> the economy.
>
> Addressing the 73rd birth anniversary of Pradumna
> Bal organised by the
> Pradyumna Bal Memorial Trust, Mr Naidu said apart
> from the economic
> reform the country also needed reforms in other
> areas with broad human
> face to ensure an overall development.
>
> "What we required at this hour is a qualitative
> leadership associated
> with value based political reform, productive
> economic reform,
> accountable administrative reform, healthy labour
> reform and the
> judicial reform," he said adding that all these
> reforms together could
> achieve a 10 per cent growth rate.
>
> Mr Naidu said the developing countries have becom
> more and more
> competitive and posed a challenge to the highly
> developed nations like
> America, Britain and other Western European
> countries.
>
> Quoting a recent TIME magazine survey, the Telgu
> Desam Party supremo
> said in another decade there would be only three
> super powers in the
> world- United States, China and India.
>
> "It is an acknowledged fact that the future of the
> world belonged to
> BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) countries,"
> Mr Naidu remarked.
>
> He said mobilisation of wealth should be the prime
> objective without
> which we could not distribute it to the needy or
> improve the condition
> of the poor.
>
> He said this was a time to network the brilliant
> brains which we once
> thought had been drained from this country and
> harness them for our
> development.
>
> Mr Naidu said the most cherished dream of all of us
> should be to build
> India an economic structure that fulfilled the dual
> purpose of lifting
> the curse of poverty, disease and unemployment on
> one hand and ensure a
> powerful technological civilization and industrial
> culture on the other
> hand.
>
> Paying his homage, the former Andhra Pradesh Chief
> Minister said Mr Bal
> was popularly known as young turk in politics in the
> company of former
> Prime Ministers- Chandra Sekhar and I K Gujral- who
> had fought
> ideological battle and opposed emergency imposed by
> Indira Gandhi even
> though he was in Congress.
>
> He described Mr Bal, a journalist of eminence, great
> champion of
> environmental protection and a crusader against
> injustice, corruption
> and exploitation of common people.
>
> Orissa Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik and noted
> Cricket Commentator
> Harsha Bhogle also spoke to the occasion while well
> known educationist
> Chittranjan Das presided the function.
>
>

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