Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state

Interesting dilemma!!

Leaving visionaries aside (they are in all fields and come in all forms
- including some politicians), what Mahesh is referring to are the
elected representatives.

I would think that we want the leaders we elect to listen to us. They
are there only to represent what majority of us want them to represent.
This may even mean that they better put their own personal beliefs
aside (strictly speaking) and speak for the majority that elected them.

To be able to do that effectively, the elected leaders have no choice
but to listen to people. When they do not listen to people we have no
representative democracy, which in fact seems to be the problem in
India.

So, there is nothing wrong in my mind if elected leaders want to follow
people. Rather, that is an ideal! We have all these problems because,
once elected, politicians expect people to follow them - no matter what
people want!

Does it make sense?

Regards,
Chandu

manga_a@cox.net wrote:
> I thought Politicians (at least the young aspiring) are supposed to be
> our leaders/MAARGADARSAKULU. If the young blood is nurturing the
> thoughts that it is ok for the politicians to be followers, why
> promote/support them and waste our valuable time in these discussion
> forums if our voices can't be heard?
>
> Are we not common Hindus who are expressing that we are disgusted with
> Muslim reservations and church being built on Tirumala Hills, one of
> the holy places of Hindus? Or, is the Politicians/ want to be
> politicians' hearing subjective and selective?
>
> I want to see our voices being taken to Chandrababu Naidu or Rajasekhar
> Reddy or any damn darn politician or leader. I want to see a posted
> article on Indian local News papers. If Dipavali sambaralu in Detroit
> and GWTCS can hit the local news in India, why not this?
>
> I am disgusted with gullible Andhra Folks who will do pada poojalu to
> sanyasulu while chanting Lalitha sahasranamam, durga ashtotharam etc.
> but can't respect the sanctity of our holy places and neither they nor
> their sanyasulu have the spine to fight for the very cause of their
> existence.
>
> Manga
>
>
> Vittal Anantatmula wrote:
> > Because of vote-related politics, these things are happening. So
> > politicians have a role in appeasing minority communities.
> >
> > Regarding our temples in the USA, it is not the right comparison. The
> > correct comparison would be to have a Hindu temple in Mecca or Vatican
> > City.
> >
> > It is estimated that more than 32,000 temples in India were transformed
> > into Mosques in the last five hundred years. We have been tolerant.
> > Please visit Ayodhya, Mathura and Kasi(Varanasi) and you will know. You
> > will not our original temples in those sacred places.
> >
> > If you relate it to the size of population, we have more churches and
> > mosques in India. So, I do not agree that we are not tolerant. But it
> > hurts when a church is going to be constructed next to the most sacred
> > Hindu place.
> >
> > There was a blast in Delhi recently. How many international leaders
> > reacted strongly? If it happens to a Muslim or Christian Community, the
> > whole world will condemn India. Let us be real, folks, We are spineless.
> >
> > Vittal A.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mahesh Gorle <mgorle2002@yahoo.com>
> > Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24 pm
> > Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> >
> > > Friends,
> > > I usually take any issue to people.
> > > Why blame politicians for every thing. They are opportunists.
> > > They simply follow the people's trend.
> > > Hindus are the most tolerant people and to an extent easy going
> > > and not to bother or bothered kind of attitudes. Except for few
> > > interested people, there was no response from a common Hindu
> > > person on this issue. I guess that is the beauty and the
> > > disadvantage of Hinduism. Its too flexible to see Godliness in
> > > every thing. Including Gods of other religion.
> > > This is not the case with the other religions. A normal John or
> > > a Mohammad would participate in religious activity.
> > > If majority of Hindus shows interest in this matter, I am sure
> > > all the political parties jump on it.
> > > Resistance or cooperation happens from a common man. When he is
> > > not interested, no body will be.
> > > Let me bring an interesting discussion happened in a party
> > > recently. When I brought up this issue, one of my friend said that
> > > if we could build temples next to a church here in America, why
> > > not build a church next to our temple in India. Almost all in the
> > > group agreed to him.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mahesh
> > >
> > > Kiran Gullapalli <kirang@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Vittal,
> > >
> > > Very nice point.Unfortunately in India, everything is Vote bank
> > > politics.
> > > If one party offers 5% reservation for a particular minority, the
> > > other
> > > party tries to outbid the other by offering 10%. They try to
> > > increase
> > > reservations on the back of OBCs(who are Hindus and for whom
> > > reservations
> > > were created in the first place)
> > >
> > > Since, the majority(Hindu), are divided into various caste's, and
> > > hence
> > > cannot vote as a block,there is no uniting voice which can oppose
> > > this
> > > measure.
> > >
> > > If any one opposes it, they are branded as communalists(MATATATVA
> > > VADI).
> > > Regarding, allocation of a place to build church in Tirumala, I
> > > have not one
> > > member of any party condemning this move. If they condemn, they
> > > lost an
> > > entire voting block.
> > >
> > > In India, the majority has no voice or representation to oppose
> > > these moves
> > > as the elected representatives are beholden to their leaders
> > > rather than
> > > speaking the voice of the public.
> > >
> > > In US, as everyone know, Bush proclaimed Jesus as his mentor.
> > >
> > > Imagine in India, AB Vajpaee(or any politician who is a Hindu),
> > > saying the
> > > same, that Lord Venakteswara is his mentor. There will be so much
> > > hue and
> > > cry with the English Language Media, the communists, branding ABV
> > > as a
> > > communalist.
> > >
> > > In India, in the guise of flawed Secularism, Majority has no say.
> > >
> > > Let me know your thoughts
> > >
> > > Kiran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Vittal Anantatmula
> > > >Reply-To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > > >To: AndhraOne@googlegroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: It is people who decide the fate of a state
> > > >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:16 -0500
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Two news items that have disturbed a lot of people about AP.
> > > >
> > > >1. Reservation for Muslims.
> > > >2. Land sale to Christians on Tirumala Hills for the construction
> > > of a
> > > >church.
> > > >
> > > >I believe politicians are either silent or supportive on these issues
> > > >for obvious reasons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Vittal A.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >